Paul and Ellyn Mock didn’t start their podcast with a business plan, a growth strategy, or a monetization funnel. They started with something they actually had: 37 years of marriage, a shared history, and a story worth talking about.
In this episode, we talk about what podcast success looks like when you stop measuring everything by downloads, followers, revenue, and growth. Paul and Ellyn share how E Says, P Says came about, what they’ve learned from making the show, the listener feedback that means the most to them, and their encounters with the people eager to sell them podcast promotion.
We also talk about learning the craft without spending thousands on courses, finding useful free resources, and the difference between optimizing a podcast and simply getting better at making one.
Maybe your podcast doesn’t have to become something else before you can call it successful.
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